Regular salt

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 11 Dec 2015, 15:13

The tablet works inside the dishwasher itself - directly with the dishes, and the ion exchanger softens the water supplied to the heating element.

Post by **And ZZy** » 27 Jan 2016, 21:36

Take salt tablets in bags and don’t worry, it costs a little more than regular salt. bags Available in 10, 20, 25, 50 kg (about 1.5 times more expensive than regular extras per 1 kg)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 18 Feb 2016, 15:36

Maksik: I personally read people’s reviews about using regular “Extra” table salt, and I’m also going to try this experiment. Because no one, despite the threats of special salt manufacturers, had anything broken from table salt. And the difference in cost is significant.
Special dishwasher salt costs 70 rubles\kg, and "Extra Polesie" - 10 rubles\kg
7 times cheaper!!!

In the documents for the dishwasher (BOSH), it is written in small letters that you can use washing powder to wash dishes. From many years of my own experience: I dilute "Ariel" with baking soda 3/1 - this is another savings item.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22 Feb 2016, 10:18

Let’s try

Post by **A dream** » 25 Feb 2016, 23:35

Guest:
Maksik: I personally read people’s reviews about using regular “Extra” table salt, and I’m also going to do this experiment. Because no one, despite the threats of special salt manufacturers, had anything broken from table salt. And the difference in cost is significant.
Special dishwasher salt costs 70 rubles\kg, and "Extra Polesie" - 10 rubles\kg
7 times cheaper!!!
In the documents for the dishwasher (BOSH), it is written in small letters that you can use washing powder to wash dishes. From many years of my own experience: I dilute "Ariel" with baking soda 3/1 - here is another savings item.

How useful it is to read what is written small print... I went to read the instructions for my car.

Post by **Aelita** » 27 Feb 2016, 22:23

I would never wash dishes with washing powder. They are thermonuclear. What if it remains? Still, the product should be for dishes.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 14 Mar 2016, 13:40

Laundry detergent is safer when used in the same amount for the dishwasher

Santa Claus · Post by **Santa Claus** » 21 Mar 2016, 09:17

Well, since no one’s PMM broke?
In general, I rarely use salt, for the most part I just don’t use it, only once or twice a year I add either table salt or special salt... Almost 3 years of using the machine and nothing what, it works...

Raccoon · Post by **Raccoon** » 21 Mar 2016, 11:42

Most importantly, the salt must be well purified. Table salt contains a bunch of additives such as iodine, etc. garbage, and "Extra" salt contains a special additive that prevents the salt from forming lumps, which is why it is always so crumbly. For a dishwasher, the main thing is softening and it doesn’t matter what kind of salt it is. But for resin that softens water, the purer the salt, the longer it lasts. Resin life is ideally up to 3 years. And by adding unrefined salt, we shorten the service life. Salt for industrial systems now costs from 450-650 rubles per 25 kg, there is also a granular price that is the same. It turns out from 18-26 rubles per kg. Order granulated salt from companies that specialize in filtration, not from stores that specialize in equipment.

Vitaly · Post by **Vitaly** » 30 Mar 2016, 12:13

Tablet salt is pressed pure “Extra” table salt without impurities. It comes in the form of small white tablets that are usually supplied in large packs for industrial use or small packs for home use. Tablet salt is used in water purification systems, namely in the regeneration of ion exchange resins involved in softening hard water.
What is tablet salt made from?
To obtain tablet salt, “Extra” table salt is used without any - or impurities. Theoretically, ordinary table salt would be suitable for this, but now it is difficult to find it without additives. In order for the salt to retain its crumbly appearance, reagents are added to it and also enriched with iodine, making it more beneficial for human health. All these additives have a lot of advantages, but are absolutely unacceptable when it comes to an ion exchange filter. Therefore, for the regeneration of resins, specially designed salt is used, made without additives or impurities.
Despite the fact that tableted salt is practically ordinary table salt, there are several reasons why it is recommended to use it in filters:
tablet salt dissolves quickly and evenly, and therefore is more effective;
it is made without impurities;
it is convenient for transportation and storage;
does not leave sediment;
has a higher ability to enrichment, which ensures economical consumption.
What properties should tableted salt have?
They are determined based on the tasks assigned to it. The main requirement is the ability to enrich the resin with sodium ions, and for this it must dissolve quickly, evenly and without sediment, and, of course, have a suitable composition. For convenience, the salt is pressed into small tablets with rounded edges; thanks to this shape and size, they can quickly provide the desired salt solution, which is then fed into the filter. In addition, in this form, salt is convenient to transport and store, which is also important, especially when used in production.
By choosing high-quality tableted salt, you extend the service life of softening filters and provide yourself with water that is safe for health, household appliances and installations .
Salt tablets for regeneration of ion exchange resins
salt tablets
The ion exchange filter operates according to the same scheme, wherever it is used. An ion exchange resin is placed in the container, and an exchange reaction begins between the resin and hardness salts, which are contained in dissolved form in water. The ion exchange process affects water, softening it and making it suitable for domestic use. The water is saturated with hydrogen or sodium cations, as well as associated hardness salts, which are deposited on the backfill resin.
Resin regeneration technology
Ion exchange resin consumes sodium ions, as a result of which it is “depleted”. This means that its performance is lost. To restore its working properties, periodic regeneration is required using a solution of table salt.
How is the ion exchange resin restored in the filter? A special water tank is filled with tableted salt. After the volume of salt required for regeneration is completely dissolved, the resulting solution is fed into a filter with resin. At this time, a reaction opposite to water softening occurs: magnesium and calcium ions are replaced by sodium ions.
A large percentage of hardness salts appears in the water. The water is washed down the drain, after which the resin becomes usable again. This is called restoring the exchange capacity of the resin.
It is more convenient to use table salt compressed into tablets (tableted): this allows for uniform dissolution and optimal contact of the salt with water.
Main requirements for salt for filters
To prepare a regenerating solution, you can also use ordinary table salt from the store. However, you should not expect high efficiency.
The fact is that tableted salt has a larger area compared to the same amount of crystalline salt, which means a larger specific surface area of contact with water. This allows you to save on the number of tablets used.
If you purchase high-quality filter salt, you can count on it to dissolve fairly evenly in the tank. This is very important because undissolved salt cakes at the bottom of the container. Such sediment can negatively affect the operation of the filter and even cause its failure.
Due to the uniform solubility of the salt, it is possible to reduce the labor costs for mixing the solution, which is often done manually or mechanically. Salt tablets consist of granules that gradually dissolve until the solution reaches the required degree of saturation.
Tableted salt for filters must have a certain quality, which has the following requirements:
tablets subject to dissolution , should not crumble or fall apart into separate parts;
during the dissolution process, salt tablets should decrease in size gradually until the solution becomes 100% saturated.

Salt , with the help of which the ion-exchange resin is regenerated, is made from “Extra” table salt, which does not contain iodine or other additives. The salt should also not contain potassium ferrocyanide.

Physical and chemical properties of tableted salt
Appearance White hygroscopic crystals in the form of tablets
Packaging 25 kg plastic bags
Odor No
pH 60 (at 50 g/l H2O/200C)
Boiling point 14130C
Melting point 8010C
Solubility in water 360 g/ l (200C)
Dissolution in 26% NaCl solution for at least 240 hours
Cesium radionuclide content not more than 370 Bq/kg
NaCl content not less than 99.5%
Magnesium ion content is not more than 0.020%
Calcium ion content is not more than 0.01%
Sulfate ion content is not more than 0.2%
Potassium ion content is not more than 0.02%
Iron (III) oxide content not more than 0.005%
Sodium sulfate content not more than 0.21%
Content of water-insoluble substances not more than 0.03%
Mass fraction of moisture no more than 0.1%
Properties: Salt tablets dissolve evenly in water until the special regenerating solution is saturated. The main thing is that there is no difference in the size of the tablet, large or small (popular myth: a large tablet is better ) 320 grams of salt dissolve in 1 liter of water. This avoids insoluble sediment, and therefore eliminates the need for additional mixing of the mixture manually or mechanically. Insoluble sediment can lead to equipment breakdowns, but thanks to the "melting effect" of tableted salt, sediment does not appear in the salt receiver tank. Such distinctive properties form tableted salt into an indispensable product for your needs!
Effect of tableted salt:
protects heating elements of equipment from lime deposits
restores the performance characteristics of ion exchange resins in ion exchangers of water softening units
purifies water from hardness salts.
Tablet size 2.5x1.2 cm
Tableted salt purifies water from hardness salts, restores the performance of ion exchange resins in ion exchangers of water softening units, protects heating elements from limescale deposits.
The scope of application of tableted salt is very wide - the food and chemical industries, the service sector and utility systems, the entertainment sector and healthcare.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 03 Apr 2016, 14:52

More than a month ago I put a pack of fine salt "Extra" into the PMM. The dishes are washed without problems, but it bothers me that in the hole where I poured the salt it still lies, as if it had precipitated (although the amount has decreased). : Did I do something wrong????

Post by **Mr.Cheese** » 27 Jul 2016, 19:25

Guest: More than a month ago I poured a pack of fine "Extra" salt into the PMM. The dishes are washed without problems, but it bothers me that in the hole where I poured the salt it still lies, as if it had precipitated (although the amount has decreased). : did I do something wrong????

You used regular table salt instead of dishwasher salt, that was the main mistake. The video, starting from 1:10 describes in detail what kind of sediment is and why you have formed:

In general, salt is no longer needed for washing dishes, but to protect the dishwasher. And it is salt that is needed for dishwashers.

The detergent does not work effectively, and when such water dries, whitish stains remain on the dishes - insoluble salts of calcium (Ca) and magnesium ( Mg). And scale from the same salts forms on the heating element, causing it to fail prematurely.

Water softening is carried out using an ion exchanger built into the dishwasher, filled with material in the form of small granules of a special resin (levatite ). The resin ensures the exchange of calcium and magnesium ions supplied with water for sodium ions contained in the resin granules. In order for the ion exchanger to work, it must first be saturated with sodium ions from a concentrated salt solution (NaCl). And after the ion exchanger has completed its mission and exchanged the large calcium ions Ca++ contained in hard water for sodium ions Na+, it needs to be regenerated so that it can be used again was to be used the next time you wash dishes. Due to the fact that dishwasher salt has a BETTER cleaning effect than table salt, and because of the large granules of this salt, it is necessary to use a special salt. The difference between using regular and special salt is described in more detail in the video

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 20 Aug 2016, 11:17

I’ve been using regular fine salt for 7 years. Just for fun, I took regular and special ones for analysis. No differences in composition were found.

T34 · Post by **T34** » 20 Aug 2016, 14:51

Seven years is awesome! So, no problems arose with the machine?

Guest: took you for analysis

Where did you take them?

T34 · Post by **T34** » 20 Aug 2016, 14:52

And I forgot to ask - what kind of dishwasher do you have?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 01 Sep 2016, 11:18

I bought an Electrolux dishwasher, added special salt, I’ve been using it for 3 months, it cleans perfectly.
I looked into the “salt receptacle” the other day - it’s full, just like it was on the first day.
t. e. the machine does not consume salt at all!
gentlemen, who knows? what to do?
р. s. Just don’t advise me to take it to a service center; in order to get it out, I need to dismantle the kitchen floor.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 02 Sep 2016, 20:12

Read the instructions for how to set the water softening in your dishwasher depending on the water hardness in your area. If it is set to minimum hardness, then in some models water will bypass the ion exchanger, which means it does not need to be regenerated - which means salt is not consumed.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 05 Sep 2016, 11:13

What if you use a steep salt solution? Dissolve a huge amount of salt in water, let it settle and pour it into the salt container without sediment.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 13 Oct 2016, 22:32

Guest: What if you use a strong salt solution? Dissolve a huge amount of salt in water, let it settle and pour it into the salt container without sediment.

It seems to me that this method will require filling with saline solution before each use.

Anna · Post by **Anna** » 24 Oct 2016, 15:35

I’ve read YOU))) I no longer have the strength to spend money on special salt, 250-390 rubles per month minimum. Starting today, 10/24/16, I will try cheap coarse salt. Zannusi machine (5 years old).

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 24 Oct 2016, 15:41

Mr.Cheese:
Guest: more than a month ago I poured a pack of fine "Extra" salt into the PMM. The dishes are washed without problems, but it bothers me that in the hole where I poured the salt it still lies, as if it had precipitated (although the amount has decreased). : did I do something wrong????
You used regular table salt instead of dishwasher salt, that was the main mistake. The video, starting from 1:10 describes in detail what kind of sediment is and why you have formed:

In general, salt is no longer needed for washing dishes, but to protect the dishwasher. And it is salt that is needed for dishwashers.

The detergent does not work effectively, and when such water dries, whitish stains remain on the dishes - insoluble salts of calcium (Ca) and magnesium ( Mg). And scale from the same salts forms on the heating element, causing it to fail prematurely.

Water softening is carried out using an ion exchanger built into the dishwasher, filled with material in the form of small granules of a special resin (levatite ). The resin ensures the exchange of calcium and magnesium ions supplied with water for sodium ions contained in the resin granules. In order for the ion exchanger to work, it must first be saturated with sodium ions from a concentrated salt solution (NaCl). And after the ion exchanger has completed its mission and exchanged the large calcium ions Ca++ contained in hard water for sodium ions Na+, it needs to be regenerated so that it can be used again was to be used the next time you wash dishes. Due to the fact that dishwasher salt has a BETTER cleaning effect than table salt, and because of the large granules of this salt, it is necessary to use a special salt. The difference between using regular and special salt is described in more detail in the video

Apparently you are a representative of a company that produces salt or dishwashers . Well then, since there is no difference in the composition, and people write that everything is fine, then reduce the cost of special salt to an adequate price for salt and make it in ordinary plastic bags!!!!

Post by **Mr.Cheese** » 24 Oct 2016, 18:23

We have no relationship with salt manufacturers, but, as dishwasher manufacturers, we recommend using special salt to make the machine last longer. You can decide for yourself whether to follow the recommendations or not.

The main reasons why manufacturers recommend using special salt are:

1) Higher degree of purification: Wikipedia

The salt sold in stores consists of approximately 97% NaCl, the rest comes from various additives. The most common additions are iodides and carbonates; in recent years, fluorides have been increasingly added. Fluoride supplementation is used to prevent dental disease. Since the 1950s, fluoride has been added to salt in Switzerland, and due to positive results in the fight against tooth decay, fluoride was added to salt in the 1980s in France and Germany. Up to 60% of salt sold in Germany and up to 80% in Switzerland contains fluorides.
Other excipients are added to table salt, for example potassium ferrocyanide (E536 in the European food additive coding system; non-toxic complex salt) as an anti-caking agent .
There are various products marketed in the United States that are marketed as “low sodium salt.” Reducing sodium content is achieved by reducing the amount of table salt per unit volume. One of the production options is the partial replacement of sodium chloride with other chemical compounds, such as potassium or magnesium chloride. Another option is to change the initial crystalline structure of the salt (“snowflakes” instead of characteristic prisms), as a result of which its volumetric density decreases (0.76 g/cm³ versus 1.24 g/cm³ for “regular” salt), and one spoon of the product contains a third less sodium (and salt as such).

Only extra salt is less suitable, but it also contains impurities that are not particularly desirable for the dishwasher. And one more reason:

2) Significantly larger granules:

Ordinary salt does not dissolve completely in water, and after the solution is saturated, it cakes into a monolithic sediment, which can block the suction system shaft in the salt receiver tank and damage the equipment. Tablet salt has a much larger surface area than the same amount of regular table salt by weight.

I think the question about the cost of special salt is better to ask the manufacturers, they could answer in more detail about the differences in production and prices.
Here, for example: http://www.rossalt.ru/ Judging by the ones sold product, they have experience in the production of various salts.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 03 Dec 2016, 05:57

I buy dishwashing detergents from the OSHAN store, the name sanit is quite cheap, the powder is 120 rubles, the salt is 50 rubles, I think if you don’t have special salt on hand, sometimes you can add extra

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 04 Jan 2017, 12:45

At first I believed the nonsense about the unprecedented purity of salt for PMM, then I carefully read the composition of the branded salt:

Food additive E262 in a volume of as much as 5%!!!

From today on, I only use table salt.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 05 Jan 2017, 12:25

Guest:At first I believed the nonsense about the unprecedented purity of salt for PMM, then I carefully read the composition of the branded salt:

Food additive E262 in a volume of as much as 5%!!!

From today onwards I use only table salt.
http://posudomojki.ru/download/file.php?id=309

have you even managed to google what e262 is and what it is needed for?

Post by **Mr.Cheese** » 07 Jan 2017, 18:28

The food additive E262 is salt, and it is clearly not added to make the salt taste better) http://am-am.su/297-konservant-e262-ace ... triya.html

ch86 · Post by **ch86** » 21 Feb 2017, 22:44

I bought Sarmatian salt just now, and the salt looked like regular extra salt. Now I will only sprinkle food grade (not iodized and without anti-caking agents). NaCl is also NaCl in Africa, I think in food purity it will be even higher.

Oleg · Post by **Oleg** » 19 Mar 2017, 14:02

Did you go to school? What kind of nonsense do you write"tableted salt has a larger area" relative to crumbly salt at the same mass.
The dispute is about fractions of a percent of the difference between ordinary salt and “specialized” salt for PMM. You do not take into account the quality of the supplied water from the tap, in which the content of various impurities negates all your perfectionism regarding the purity of the special salt.

Post by **Mr.Cheese** » 21 Mar 2017, 15:35

Oleg: ↑19 Mar 2017, 14:02 Did you go to school? What kind of nonsense do you write"tableted salt has a larger area" relative to crumbly salt at the same mass.
The dispute is about fractions of a percent of the difference between ordinary salt and “specialized” salt for PMM. You do not take into account the quality of the supplied water from the tap, in which the content of various impurities negates all your perfectionism regarding the purity of special salt.

1) You did you study at school? What kind of nonsense are you writing"tabletized salt has a largerьlarge area" relative to crumbly, with one mass.

It is fundamental school knowledge that gives concepts about this. If we take granules of the same substance, large in size and very small, then between the large-sized granules there will be relatively large voids, and small-sized granules, almost like brick to brick, will fit tightly together (for example, pebbles and sand, we can conduct an experiment) That is, if we take one mass, then large granules will take up more space due to the voids between the granules, this is exactly what happens with salt.

I recommend Feynman lectures in physics, in order to better remember the various processes that occur around us, https://www.wikiwand.com/ru/%D0%A4%D0%B ... 0%BA%D0%B5

2) You do not take quality into account supplied water from the water supply

In order to mitigate the negative effects of hard water, salt is needed, which in turn is needed for the ion exchanger. At the same time, any consequences of poor water quality, etc. may appear in a couple of years, and not after a few washes.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 23 Mar 2017, 07:39

Alexander: ↑29 Aug 2013, 16:53

We dug around on the net and found that these dishwashers actually have ion exchangers. Well then it’s clear - salt is needed to periodically regenerate them by washing it with a concentrated solution. And, of course, any table salt will do for this. The size of the crystals should not affect - the solution works. The only impurities that can interfere are mechanical insoluble ones - like sand. Therefore, extra, which is cleared of them, is probably best suited. It is unlikely that table salt contains any ions that will tightly clog the ion exchanger. So at

Irina · Post by **Irina** » 22 Jun 2017, 13:45

But my machine couldn’t stand it..... it broke

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 22 Jun 2017, 16:34

What exactly broke down, and why do you think it was because of ordinary salt?

Alexei · Post by **Alexei** » 10 Jul 2017, 01:34

1 at work there is a softener on the coffee machine, once a month we add regular salt (as it says in the instructions)
2 I used sormat salt - it is fine like regular salt

Post by **when** » 24 Aug 2017, 22:28

Is this some kind of banter? If it’s banter, then it’s out of place; some would-be housewife will actually believe it and sprinkle it with iodized salt with large crystals. In the instructions, it is written everywhere that no table salts. A special regenerating salt for dishwashers containing sodium chlorine is added, which is used to soften the water, in turn ensuring better washing of dishes.

Post by **Yuri** » 04 Sep 2017, 16:05

Under no circumstances is it possible. This is stated in the instructions.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 23 Jan 2018, 08:55

I’ve been seasoning it with plain salt for 14 years. The package says "No additives"

Post by **Fulcrum** » 05 Feb 2019, 20:36

nnmd: ↑22 Dec 2014, 21:43limited

Then how has my PMM been working since 2001 and nothing has happened to the ion exchange resin? This is already 18 years!!! We use Finish.

Svetlana · Post by **Svetlana** » 10 Mar 2019, 20:47

I personally use the most common table salt! I bought the machine new, it has been working for the 3rd year.
A familiar dishwasher repairman said that there is no difference and you can use the most common salt, which is what I did)))
And it really saves your money)

Tim23ka@mail.ru · Post by **Tim23ka@mail.ru** » 19 Mar 2020, 17:38

The instructions for the Electrolux (industrial) dishwasher say about table salt. The ban on its use in household products is IMHO the machinations of marketers.

Post by **Elenka** » 18 Jul 2020, 18:37

To be honest, for me, all the chemistry for PMM is a mystery. If they sell tablets 3:1, 5:1 and even 7:1, then why the hell add more salt?!

Alexander with Hansa · Post by **Alexander with Hansa** » 12 Sep 2020, 23:01

PMM Hansa ZWM 656 IH (Made in China). We poured coarse salt Finish and coarse salt from the Chelyabinsk manufacturer, so the machine doesn’t like coarse salt, the lack of salt light can remain on for 5 washes. You fall asleep in small somat, and the light goes out immediately. The instructions say that you still need to add salt with the tablets. What’s the point of these pills then? Somat salt has disappeared from stores, are there still price tags of 230 rubles for 1.5 kg? We’re crazy! Today I went and bought a regular extra at Monetka. I’ll fill it up.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 10 Jan 2021, 11:21

You can! A man has been using it for 4 years!
here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve4PkGyf1Bo&t =8s

Post by **Fulcrum** » 16 Jan 2021, 19:54

With regular salt, the ion exchange resin will quickly come to an end!

User CSF4570 EX · Post by **User CSF4570 EX** » 04 Feb 2021, 17:16

In our country, unfortunately, the percentage composition is not indicated for ordinary table salt (without iodine, that is).
Composition of extra salt: salt, E536 (anti-coking agent or something generally used for storage). Google showed that usually the content of this agent is 20 mg per 1 kg of salt, that is, 0.002%.

Salt, one might say, is pure. The composition of coarse salt is the same.

I looked for special salt for PMM - in the huge Prizma store I found only one type of it - salt in large granules without indicating the composition at all. The manufacturer is probably hinting to us - salt is like salt, go ahead and take it! Price per kilo is 3.55€ or 22% of my hourly work as a carpenter.

Extra salt costs ~1€ or 6.3% of my hourly wage.
Coarse salt 0.7€.

Total: my machine has a tank for salt, I filled in half a pack of extra (~400g), missed 1 full cycle with dishes. The white stains went away immediately, although the lack of salt indicator was still on.
I added the remaining 400g, ran a half cycle and the indicator went off.

In our region the water is soft, the manufacturer of special salt recommends this In this case, add 1 kg of salt once every 3 months. This is the only useful thing from that pack in the store

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As for sand and impurities in salt - so if there are any, you need to write a complaint to the manufacturer, you are using in eat this salt. This is the case, and 2) the PMM, I’m sure yours does too, has a mesh filter.

Artem · Post by **Artem** » 23 Feb 2021, 17:59

Good luck with table salt!

Ion · Post by **Ion** » 05 Feb 2022, 19:01

People, don’t rack your brains, look at the composition. Sodium chloride or sodium chloride (NaCl) is the sodium salt of hydrochloric acid. In other words, both this and that are salt, and money for beautiful packaging, well, advertising

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