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Dishes smell like dog after being washed
Please help, maybe someone has encountered such a problem! The dishes, after being washed in the dishwasher, stink of dog!! Disgusting smell, but the dishes are clean and shiny. I changed the tablets, rinse aid, salt is always available. I wash the inside of the dishwasher regularly, the filter, the walls. I tried running it with baking soda and vinegar. Nothing helps (((
Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
nadejda, see my previous message. Dogs are also felt by people who do not have a dishwasher. You can at least rinse, but it won’t help. If you don’t believe me, then take a plate and try to wash off the under-rinsed water by hand.
People, you all have normal dishwashers and everything is fine with them.
People, you all have normal dishwashers and everything is fine with them.
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For some reason I logged out. Standard household products do not remove the smell either manually or in a PMM. The force of impact and the amount of water have nothing to do with it. Dog is chemistry!
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By the way, in industry cysteine is obtained from feathers and wool https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cystein . I don’t know what other evidence would be more convincing.
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When I wash dishes by hand, I don’t feel any dog.Air Shower: ↑30 May 2023, 18:48 People who don’t have a dishwasher also feel the pain. You can at least rinse, but it won’t help.
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nadejda, this is good, but it’s hard to say why. Maybe you washed by hand on those days when there were no chicken or egg scraps or the windows were closed. The dish dog is cunning - sometimes you feel it on the same dishes, sometimes you don’t. Try hand-washing the very plate that stinks. Smell the result strictly at an open window.
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I didn’t fully understand whether this was a solution or not. If 3 plates continue to stink after soaking, then this is a partial solution or an accident/coincidenceEsthete: ↑30 May 2023, 17:29 Solution.
The odor is removed by an inexpensive and safe substance when used according to instructions, sodium salt of dichloroisocyanuric acid: 1 tablet for 5 liters of water, there is a smaller version for 1 liter of water)
I took five plates with the smell, soaked a couple in a box with one five-liter tablet for half an hour, rinsed and sniffed. Three continued to stink, the two treated ones did not smell of anything.
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Esthete: ↑30 May 2023, 17:29 Solution.
The odor is removed by an inexpensive and safe substance, when used according to instructions, sodium salt of dichloroisocyanuric acid: https://www.ozon.ru/product/hlornye-tab ... 829626987/ (one tablet for 5 liters of water, there is an option smaller for 1 liter of water)
I took five plates with the smell, soaked a couple in a box with one five-liter tablet for half an hour, rinsed and sniffed. Three continued to stink, the two treated ones did not smell of anything.
Before this, I managed to find good Russian powders with phosphates in the composition, without enzymes and flavors. They washed it surprisingly well, but they still didn’t remove the smell (when it was noticeable). and I don’t understand whether this is a solution or not. If 3 out of 5 terrines continued to emit an odor, then this partial solution is obtained (or a coincidence)
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for its part also conducted "another" experiment. Now it’s almost summer, it’s hot, the windows are open steadily.
One “beautiful” day I sat down with my wife again to have lunch and again a wet dog greeted me from the plate. With grief I finished my meal in half and started drinking tea - the same. The dog sits in a mug of tea. I freaked out and decided that maybe there was something wrong with the dishwasher - maybe something was stuck inside and was rotting and emitting an odor. Before that, I turned over all the forums, both ours and not ours. It’s decided - we disassemble the entire dishwasher and look for the cause of the smell. As a result, I disassembled the sink down to the details, completely.... yes, there was quite a bit of dirt inside, there was a little dirt even in the washing chamber under the sprayer tubes (this is after washing with a special Somat product and a finish for cleaning PMM - on the question of how well the promoted ones wash means), BUT! This, it seems to me, is not enough to generate this stench. Each detail brought it to the open window, waved it and then sniffed it (some kind of drug addiction
, but somehow we need to look for the reason). As a result, I didn’t find anything criminal inside the COMPLETELY DISASSEMBLED PMM. There is no smell from the parts even near an open window; everything in the drain hose is clean - there is no smell. The pump, pipes, tanks - everything is more or less clean. I conclude that PMM has no business. The only thing I noticed is that the aluminum filter by the window gives off a similar smell to the dishes - although visually it is very clean, no creepiness was noticed on it.
I bought sodium percarbonate at ozone (aka bleach ala 25 in one) - filled the filters with it and poured boiling water over it, then rinsed it with a watering can in the bathroom under good pressure.
Washed it and took it away to the window - no smell. PMM also wiped the entire inside with a rag with percobonate. PMM was ruled out.
Moving on...
A month before, I took samples of tap water (without any pre-filtration) and took them to in vitro analysis - analysis of 20 indicators.
All indicators are normal. The hardness was also measured, the hardness of the PMM was adjusted correctly.
We exclude water.
Moving on...
the dishes themselves? Glass - in fact, if the glass is clean, it does not smell of anything.
We are conducting an experiment - we open the sideboard and take out a completely new plate from the packaging, wash it with tap water and air it out on the balcony - there is no smell.
Wet the plate again and put it in the microwave (provide heating), air it out again there is no smell on the balcony.
Conclusion?
The smell is food residue on the dishes. They are not visible to the eye, cannot be felt by the hand, and they are quite tiny, apparently, but they are there. The washing machine in the PMM is not able to remove these residues from the dishes, and by the way, a hand washing one too (I took a stinking plate and spent a long time scrubbing it with a sponge and detergent with my hands under the sink) - I put it out on the window on the balcony, it stinks.
Ookay, let’s say these residues have become ingrained in the dishes and need to be removed with something.
We act according to hardcock - boil a huge amount of water, throw all the dishes into the bathtub, fill everything with percorbonate and pour boiling water over it and leave it like that for minutes 15, the reaction is underway, everything is bubbling and steaming in the bathroom, then we begin to wash each dish with a watering can under good pressure.
We take several samples of dishes out onto the balcony for airing - there is no smell.
nWe heat the dishes - there is no smell.
We eat meat/eggs from the dishes with the windows open - there is no smell.
Bottom line, the dishes are clean.
But there is a nuance...
The happiness lasted about a week - then washing in PMM and after a week the pesel is back with us
That is, traditional washing methods do not completely wash out food residues
It turns out that in order not to smell the dog, you need to regularly wash the dishes clean with bleach?
Or put up with the smell... but this is not an option. Eating from unwashed dishes is at least scary. It may be safe, of course, but the very fact of realizing that the dishes have not been properly washed is annoying.
UPD I re-read the instructions for PMM and will soon be able to quote it and repeat it like a mantra, I excluded all aluminum (with and without coating)
for its part also conducted "another" experiment. Now it’s almost summer, it’s hot, the windows are open steadily.
One “beautiful” day I sat down with my wife again to have lunch and again a wet dog greeted me from the plate. With grief I finished my meal in half and started drinking tea - the same. The dog sits in a mug of tea. I freaked out and decided that maybe there was something wrong with the dishwasher - maybe something was stuck inside and was rotting and emitting an odor. Before that, I turned over all the forums, both ours and not ours. It’s decided - we disassemble the entire dishwasher and look for the cause of the smell. As a result, I disassembled the sink down to the details, completely.... yes, there was quite a bit of dirt inside, there was a little dirt even in the washing chamber under the sprayer tubes (this is after washing with a special Somat product and a finish for cleaning PMM - on the question of how well the promoted ones wash means), BUT! This, it seems to me, is not enough to generate this stench. Each detail brought it to the open window, waved it and then sniffed it (some kind of drug addiction

I bought sodium percarbonate at ozone (aka bleach ala 25 in one) - filled the filters with it and poured boiling water over it, then rinsed it with a watering can in the bathroom under good pressure.
Washed it and took it away to the window - no smell. PMM also wiped the entire inside with a rag with percobonate. PMM was ruled out.
Moving on...
A month before, I took samples of tap water (without any pre-filtration) and took them to in vitro analysis - analysis of 20 indicators.
All indicators are normal. The hardness was also measured, the hardness of the PMM was adjusted correctly.
We exclude water.
Moving on...
the dishes themselves? Glass - in fact, if the glass is clean, it does not smell of anything.
We are conducting an experiment - we open the sideboard and take out a completely new plate from the packaging, wash it with tap water and air it out on the balcony - there is no smell.
Wet the plate again and put it in the microwave (provide heating), air it out again there is no smell on the balcony.
Conclusion?
The smell is food residue on the dishes. They are not visible to the eye, cannot be felt by the hand, and they are quite tiny, apparently, but they are there. The washing machine in the PMM is not able to remove these residues from the dishes, and by the way, a hand washing one too (I took a stinking plate and spent a long time scrubbing it with a sponge and detergent with my hands under the sink) - I put it out on the window on the balcony, it stinks.
Ookay, let’s say these residues have become ingrained in the dishes and need to be removed with something.
We act according to hardcock - boil a huge amount of water, throw all the dishes into the bathtub, fill everything with percorbonate and pour boiling water over it and leave it like that for minutes 15, the reaction is underway, everything is bubbling and steaming in the bathroom, then we begin to wash each dish with a watering can under good pressure.
We take several samples of dishes out onto the balcony for airing - there is no smell.
nWe heat the dishes - there is no smell.
We eat meat/eggs from the dishes with the windows open - there is no smell.
Bottom line, the dishes are clean.
But there is a nuance...
The happiness lasted about a week - then washing in PMM and after a week the pesel is back with us

It turns out that in order not to smell the dog, you need to regularly wash the dishes clean with bleach?
Or put up with the smell... but this is not an option. Eating from unwashed dishes is at least scary. It may be safe, of course, but the very fact of realizing that the dishes have not been properly washed is annoying.
UPD I re-read the instructions for PMM and will soon be able to quote it and repeat it like a mantra, I excluded all aluminum (with and without coating)
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I only soaked two out of five. The remaining three stood on the windowsill as control samples. No coincidences. As you can see, I described everything quite convincingly with links to sources.
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then everything is ok, it means I read it incorrectly.
But the second question remains open, what to do about it?
I also cleaned all the dishes that were in the house, soaking them in a bathtub with chemicals.
It turns out that to combat the smell of dishes you need to soak them in chemicals every time?
But the second question remains open, what to do about it?
I also cleaned all the dishes that were in the house, soaking them in a bathtub with chemicals.
It turns out that to combat the smell of dishes you need to soak them in chemicals every time?
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Logs out, infection.
No need to worry that household washing does not produce 100% chemically clean dishes at the end. Clean glass is glass that has been washed with a chrome mixture. They don’t clean houses like that!
We are people with high sensitivity to cysteine. We only need a few molecules when others need a bucket. This does not mean that our dishes are dirty.
By the way, I tried washing with a full cuvette of sodium percarbonate at 75 degrees. No effect. It’s expected, since almost all products already contain 15-30% per dose.
But I don’t understand why you need such sacrifices (full analysis of PMM and water tests for 25 thousand rubles. ), after we have already discussed that even in this topic there were people with dogs, but without a dishwasher, and that my updated PMM had never known tap water in its life, because I connected it to osmosis. People have glass tables and mirrors that stink, but by definition this cannot be washed in a PMM.
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About hypochlorite and steel: https://the-nobel-group.livejournal.com/ 1606.html
No need to worry that household washing does not produce 100% chemically clean dishes at the end. Clean glass is glass that has been washed with a chrome mixture. They don’t clean houses like that!
We are people with high sensitivity to cysteine. We only need a few molecules when others need a bucket. This does not mean that our dishes are dirty.
By the way, I tried washing with a full cuvette of sodium percarbonate at 75 degrees. No effect. It’s expected, since almost all products already contain 15-30% per dose.
But I don’t understand why you need such sacrifices (full analysis of PMM and water tests for 25 thousand rubles. ), after we have already discussed that even in this topic there were people with dogs, but without a dishwasher, and that my updated PMM had never known tap water in its life, because I connected it to osmosis. People have glass tables and mirrors that stink, but by definition this cannot be washed in a PMM.
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I soaked the plates separately because I am afraid of corrosion of the PMM from the chlorine additive. Google "hypochlorite corrosion of stainless steel". But it would be ideal - chlorine tablets are tiny, cheap, effective, and according to the instructions, also safe for health, since they are designed for drinking water. The smell of chlorine disappears quickly. Once I have consulted, I will definitely write back.mihanikus2012: ↑31 May 2023, 10:57 then everything is ok, it means I read it incorrectly.
But the second question remains open, what to do about it?
I also cleaned all the dishes that were in the house, soaking them in a bathtub with chemicals.
It turns out that to combat the smell of dishes you need to soak them in chemicals every time?
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About hypochlorite and steel: https://the-nobel-group.livejournal.com/ 1606.html
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nadejda, I read your message more carefully. IVF actually stinks worse. They work worse by definition. When the dishes are slippery, the product does not really rinse out. But this is a problem with PMM, not capsules (the ones listed are very good). I have the coolest full-size PMM (even drying zeolite) and it washes everything squeaky clean in ECO mode with a water consumption of 9 liters. So the water consumption is even less than yours, especially since I have a full-size 60 cm one, and you actually have some kind of tabletop one. Many people underestimate the quality of the PMM: first of all, it is the power of the pump, correctly configured programs and the design itself. Salt does indeed cause metal to rust, but the point is not the ion exchanger, but the fact that after adding salt you need to immediately start the washing cycle and try not to spill too much and not buy products with sodium chloride in the composition (surely your IVFs were like this).
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Use reusable plastic dishes (only made of polypropylene, no melamine). It does not absorb protein breakdown products. Ozone has cool glasses from the Happy Cup company (inexpensive, very high quality and in different colors). They don’t make plates, and I can’t recommend other specific companies because they all look poor.
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Please tell me how long the most intense cycle lasts in your cool PMM? For pots or something like that.
I have it not quite tabletop, medium format, for 8 sets. Yesterday I tried to run a short wash after the main one - much better.
Please tell me how long the most intense cycle lasts in your cool PMM? For pots or something like that.
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Pre-Wash, intensive for almost two hours. Eco three and a half hours. If you add options, then almost an hour is added. Neither time nor power is a hindrance to the dog. I once tried to interrupt the program at the end of the rinse and start it again so that it would rinse better, but it did not help.
You can try or buy small tablets or cut them in half or dose the powder smaller. In fact, little product is needed for a good wash.
You can try or buy small tablets or cut them in half or dose the powder smaller. In fact, little product is needed for a good wash.
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Cutting them is problematic - these are capsules.
Perhaps it is possible to calculate the component that is in these products and which is not, for example, in BIO MIO or that Somat powder, etc. - so he removes the dog.
Maybe I didn’t explain it well. I have Somat Excellence or Fairy Platinum COMPLETELY remove the smell of dog.
Cutting them is problematic - these are capsules.
Perhaps it is possible to calculate the component that is in these products and which is not, for example, in BIO MIO or that Somat powder, etc. - so he removes the dog.
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The dog cannot be removed by conventional means. I had a collection while I was experimenting. This topic has been around since 2016, and if the problem had been solved by purchasing somat, it would have exhausted itself long ago. You just don’t feel it sometimes.
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The day before yesterday the tablets stank dogs.
Yesterday I washed them with capsules - there was no stink.
And so all the time.
I’ll find time and compare the compositions of all the products I use I used it.
I have Somat capsules and Bio Mio tablets in stock right now.
The day before yesterday the tablets stank dogs.
Yesterday I washed them with capsules - there was no stink.
And so all the time.
I’ll find time and compare the compositions of all the products I use I used it.
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Are you sure that you used exactly these capsules - it was not for nothing that I wrote the EXACT names. Other products and capsules from the same manufacturers did not remove the dog from me. Of course, I didn’t try everything, but still.
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Somat gold were. They have the same composition, just a solution in capsules, and a compressed mixture in tablets.
You may be less sensitive to cysteine and therefore just a good wash is enough. And we are tormented, because we already feel several molecules on the plate, which is creaky from cleanliness.
You may be less sensitive to cysteine and therefore just a good wash is enough. And we are tormented, because we already feel several molecules on the plate, which is creaky from cleanliness.
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I’m writing - Somat Excellence.
Try it, and then draw conclusions.
Somat Gold does not wash the dog!!!Air Shower: ↑01 Jun 2023, 10:23 There were Somat Gold. They have the same composition, it’s just a solution in capsules, and a compressed mixture in tablets.
I’m writing - Somat Excellence.
Try it, and then draw conclusions.
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I believe you that you don’t feel like a dog after them. I want that too. But alas. I had Fairy Platinum.
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I looked at the prices today and bought a couple of packs of Finish Quantum Ultimate for fun. There was a super discount. I had them in my collection while experimenting, but somehow I overlooked how well they cleaned up. I’m shocked, to be honest, how she literally scrubbed the battered baking dish to zero in eco mode, and everything else crunched like snow on the night before Christmas. But the small dog can still be felt in a draft. I’m switching to them (I previously considered Powerball to be the best option, but they didn’t offer such coolness).Air Shower: ↑01 Jun 2023, 10:23 Somat Gold doesn’t wash the dog!!!
I’m writing - Somat Excellence.
Try it, and then draw your own conclusions.
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I forgot to add that both cysteine itself and its breakdown products, especially cysteamine, can stink. There is an error in the article about bioperms, since cosmetic compositions contain cysteamine, not cysteine. The one who wrote does not rummage, but I did not immediately double-check (I googled the composition).
Wiki: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochemical...hair_curling
A woman has been holding her dog on her head for two weeks, going through regular washing: https://lady.mail.ru/forum/topic/biozav ... n_ukladka/
The same thing happens with dishes - for some reason these sulfur-containing the substances are very persistent and corrosive, and they are replenished with each washing cycle, because the original protein in scraps is always in excess.
Wiki: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochemical...hair_curling
A woman has been holding her dog on her head for two weeks, going through regular washing: https://lady.mail.ru/forum/topic/biozav ... n_ukladka/
The same thing happens with dishes - for some reason these sulfur-containing the substances are very persistent and corrosive, and they are replenished with each washing cycle, because the original protein in scraps is always in excess.
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I tried Quantum Ultimate Finish - it didn’t help me.
The dishes also stink. It was cold for 2 days - and the windows were all sealed - perfect. Today it’s warmer - the window is being ventilated, the dishes stink again
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I can add one more point - my parents live in the village, PMM is not there - I have eaten outdoors in gazebos several times, incl. protein food - there is no smell.
Mother-in-law and Father-in-law live in another area of the city, they wash dishes by hand, the windows are always almost open - there is no smell.
The dishes, after washing in bleach in hot water, also did not stink for a week .
After a week of washing in the PMM, the smell returned. Now it stinks as before - all you have to do is open the window.
It seems to me that the PMM is missing something. And it’s like a cumulative effect - residues remain on the surface of the dishes, there are more and more of them, and then the stink begins.
There is no other explanation yet.
I can also add that there was never a problem with the smell from dishes BEFORE the appearance of PMM, I lived in different apartments, washed dishes with my hands - they never stank
The dishes also stink. It was cold for 2 days - and the windows were all sealed - perfect. Today it’s warmer - the window is being ventilated, the dishes stink again

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I can add one more point - my parents live in the village, PMM is not there - I have eaten outdoors in gazebos several times, incl. protein food - there is no smell.
Mother-in-law and Father-in-law live in another area of the city, they wash dishes by hand, the windows are always almost open - there is no smell.
The dishes, after washing in bleach in hot water, also did not stink for a week .
After a week of washing in the PMM, the smell returned. Now it stinks as before - all you have to do is open the window.
It seems to me that the PMM is missing something. And it’s like a cumulative effect - residues remain on the surface of the dishes, there are more and more of them, and then the stink begins.
There is no other explanation yet.
I can also add that there was never a problem with the smell from dishes BEFORE the appearance of PMM, I lived in different apartments, washed dishes with my hands - they never stank
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In the PMM, the scraps decompose thanks to strong alkali and enzymes; they usually do this for at least an hour and only towards the end of the cycle they begin to be washed off, and a much smaller amount of water is spent. They usually wash it by hand under a gentle stream of water with a neutral agent, and the leftovers are washed off at any given time, without much time to decompose and adsorb. So in PMM, proteins have time to thoroughly decompose into amino acids, which are adsorbed, and to a lesser extent during hand washing. The problem is that chemists do not test their Finishes and Somatas to remove the odor of amino acids with hydrogen sulfide groups, because firstly, most people do not smell them in small concentrations, and secondly, their labs are clearly equipped with artificial ventilation, and not with open windows .
Here is another argument:
Have fun, wash a new plate after scrambled eggs outdoors with soda, let the leftovers be thoroughly fermented with it
You read my big post, I seemed to plausibly argue the entire chain of processes and even named the substances themselves, not forgetting to mention that cysteine is made in the industry from smelly wool. These are all amino acids with hydrogen sulfide groups -SH (they are very smelly). Now the question is what to put in the PMM along with the product or the second cycle to remove the smell and not harm the body and the machine itself.
In the PMM, the scraps decompose thanks to strong alkali and enzymes; they usually do this for at least an hour and only towards the end of the cycle they begin to be washed off, and a much smaller amount of water is spent. They usually wash it by hand under a gentle stream of water with a neutral agent, and the leftovers are washed off at any given time, without much time to decompose and adsorb. So in PMM, proteins have time to thoroughly decompose into amino acids, which are adsorbed, and to a lesser extent during hand washing. The problem is that chemists do not test their Finishes and Somatas to remove the odor of amino acids with hydrogen sulfide groups, because firstly, most people do not smell them in small concentrations, and secondly, their labs are clearly equipped with artificial ventilation, and not with open windows .
Here is another argument:
To extract cysteine from egg white you need to place it in an alkali solution , and laundry soap is just noticeably more alkaline than modern Fairies, etc., since they are closer to neutral. I’m not even talking about soda. Therefore, the smell is stronger when washed by hand.Al - Alexander: ↑06 Jul 2017, 08:08 Wash by hand with LAUNDRY SOAP. Ecology 100%. Sometimes I wash it with soda.
Then you smell the shiny dishes and that dog smell.
Have fun, wash a new plate after scrambled eggs outdoors with soda, let the leftovers be thoroughly fermented with it

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Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
mihanikus2012, I’ll summarize. The problem is not in the dishwasher, but in the dishes: it is not a matter of unwashability, but of the adsorbing properties of the materials (absorption by the surface). Everything is washed off perfectly from plastic, but glass, ceramics, and stainless steel are adsorbed. Catalysts or strong oxidizing agents are needed. Chlorine is a terrible substance, and sodium percarbonate is not enough (I washed at 70 with a full cuvette, and all products contain it by default).
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The instructions for sodium percarbonate indicate that the solution should be washed with boiling water - 100 degrees. Dishwashers do not heat water to this level. Therefore, I believe that percarbonate in the dishwasher will not provide the desired effect. It turns out that if you follow your post, you need to rinse all the dishes properly (maybe boil them, I don’t know
) and then wash them with your hands with detergent. Then there should be no smell. Because hand washing products do not decompose food.
Because in this case, how can I explain that before this I washed dishes with my hands for 20 years and nothing smelled to me. And now I started using PMM and hello

Because in this case, how can I explain that before this I washed dishes with my hands for 20 years and nothing smelled to me. And now I started using PMM and hello
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mihanikus2012, the greatest efficiency is in boiling water, but this does not mean that it does not work at all at lower temperatures. I recently used it to bleach light colors in the washing machine at 60 and everything worked out. Activators are added to ready-made products so that at 40-50 it works just as well.
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For the first time in three years of using the PMM
today there was a “smell of eggs”: from porcelain cups and glass glasses and earthenware plates
(I won’t say about a wet dog, I haven’t kept dogs) from metal spoons- there was no smell from the forks
The same smell sometimes came from wine glasses, on vacation, in restaurants in Turkey, Greece, in short, exactly
where there is public catering, so to speak...
nI rushed about almost in a panic: dinner was just around the corner, my husband was on the way, and even a cake with whipped whites denied his sensitivity to smells, not to mention the plates
I rushed to the Internet, read a lot, hung here for a long time.
It helped!
I analyzed the storage of dishes and food, what was there before A:
- everything is standard, except for the glass “oil dish”, which contained canned “mackerel in tomato”
I’ll note right away that I don’t like fish, I don’t cook at home.
Washing feature: half a Finish tablet (maybe this is important?)
Time: 1 hour 30 minutes
Rinse aid Finish and salt Finish (this is already laid out, as usual)
PMM: one-story Medea
After reading anyway, I rushed to rinse the dishes with cold water for 15 minutes, pulled out a cup-((((
that smell of eggs again...
I threw in a whole Finish tablet, thought and poured vinegar on top of all these clean dishes 9%, probably 40 grams, leftovers in the bottle, thinking that it won’t harm, but maybe it will help? As they write here.
Washing time: 1 hour 15 minutes
Well, the time is up, I opened the door, sniffed all the earthenware-porcelain-glass= NO SMELL
I am never a chemist by training, but the Kingdom of Heaven to Klara Ivanovna - the teacher ,
Love and respect for this science have been instilled since school.
My personal conclusion:
PMM has nothing to do with it - as was said here
Weather conditions - probably not (for the purity of my conclusions it will be necessary to do this in winter)
Glass, ceramics, earthenware - the surface is smooth, a film appears there during the washing process from the active ingredients of the tablets
If on the dishes (let there be at least one saucer Phosphorus is fish, maybe scrambled eggs (?) or something similar, for me only canned fish created a smell, then a chemical reaction occurs, which is extinguished by vinegar, but nothing tablet or mouthwash
Note that my washing temperature was high 50-60 degrees, the enzymes probably “cooked” and sealed the smell of the protein
The only thing that excuses my long message is my “neophyte” in this situation and the way out of it
today there was a “smell of eggs”: from porcelain cups and glass glasses and earthenware plates
(I won’t say about a wet dog, I haven’t kept dogs) from metal spoons- there was no smell from the forks
The same smell sometimes came from wine glasses, on vacation, in restaurants in Turkey, Greece, in short, exactly
where there is public catering, so to speak...
nI rushed about almost in a panic: dinner was just around the corner, my husband was on the way, and even a cake with whipped whites denied his sensitivity to smells, not to mention the plates
I rushed to the Internet, read a lot, hung here for a long time.
It helped!
I analyzed the storage of dishes and food, what was there before A:
- everything is standard, except for the glass “oil dish”, which contained canned “mackerel in tomato”
I’ll note right away that I don’t like fish, I don’t cook at home.
Washing feature: half a Finish tablet (maybe this is important?)
Time: 1 hour 30 minutes
Rinse aid Finish and salt Finish (this is already laid out, as usual)
PMM: one-story Medea
After reading anyway, I rushed to rinse the dishes with cold water for 15 minutes, pulled out a cup-((((
that smell of eggs again...
I threw in a whole Finish tablet, thought and poured vinegar on top of all these clean dishes 9%, probably 40 grams, leftovers in the bottle, thinking that it won’t harm, but maybe it will help? As they write here.
Washing time: 1 hour 15 minutes
Well, the time is up, I opened the door, sniffed all the earthenware-porcelain-glass= NO SMELL
I am never a chemist by training, but the Kingdom of Heaven to Klara Ivanovna - the teacher ,
Love and respect for this science have been instilled since school.
My personal conclusion:
PMM has nothing to do with it - as was said here
Weather conditions - probably not (for the purity of my conclusions it will be necessary to do this in winter)
Glass, ceramics, earthenware - the surface is smooth, a film appears there during the washing process from the active ingredients of the tablets
If on the dishes (let there be at least one saucer Phosphorus is fish, maybe scrambled eggs (?) or something similar, for me only canned fish created a smell, then a chemical reaction occurs, which is extinguished by vinegar, but nothing tablet or mouthwash
Note that my washing temperature was high 50-60 degrees, the enzymes probably “cooked” and sealed the smell of the protein
The only thing that excuses my long message is my “neophyte” in this situation and the way out of it
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In continuation of my topic, since
“I don’t speak languages” and the wild turn of phrase “the enzymes are cooked” is better read like this:
the substances in that canned fish (ugh) entered into a chemical reaction with the detergent Finish and Rinse Aid from the same company, which resulted in the creation of a “new substance” in the form of a film on glass and porcelain, earthenware (my case), with a terrible smell of eggs
And vinegar dissolved this tandem and destroyed smell!
Something like that
“I don’t speak languages” and the wild turn of phrase “the enzymes are cooked” is better read like this:
the substances in that canned fish (ugh) entered into a chemical reaction with the detergent Finish and Rinse Aid from the same company, which resulted in the creation of a “new substance” in the form of a film on glass and porcelain, earthenware (my case), with a terrible smell of eggs
And vinegar dissolved this tandem and destroyed smell!
Something like that

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Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
Meridin, Vinegar should work, but with regular use it will damage the rubber seals, which will lead to leakage.
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In general, I decided to check out Somat Excellence. Before this (about 2 months ago) I bought Clean Fresh dishwasher powder. At first, the powder seemed normal and there didn’t even seem to be a smell - I think it’s a placebo effect and self-hypnosis, but after a while I began to notice that there were stains on the dishes and the smell also seemed to remain there. After reading a couple of posts above I decided to test the somat theory. The result is still the same. There is no difference. There is also a dog smell. I assume that a few posts above the user (there was no protein food on the dishes/the windows were not open/the sense of smell was dull/runny nose/the moon in the third house/retrograde mercury... and so on). In general, it was perhaps strange to hope that somat would solve a question that had not been answered for more than 5 years. I checked the finish earlier - there was also no effect. I also tried different modes. The problem remains unresolved.
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Aesthete, aren’t you tired of communicating with yourself from different accounts? Is your communication really that bad?
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Matrix, you literally just gave out the database about yourself. Does the term projection from psychology mean anything?
Projection is a psychological defense mechanism, as a result of which a person mistakenly views everything that happens inside as coming from outside. Thus, he begins to attribute his own thoughts, feelings, motives and character traits to objects from the surrounding world.
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That’s what I wrote:mihanikus2012: ↑27 Jul 2023, 21:27it’s strange to hope that somat will solve a question that has not been answered for more than 5 years
However, you can believe the only person in the world who named the active substance of the dish dog: I did then I tried again and confirmed from Finish Ultimate at eco program after the pre-rinse program the situation is 100% better. Somat is a hat, read the ingredients (Finish capsules have twice as much PABOA).
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Esthete, what projection? You moron? They wrote to you about something else altogether)
Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
We have already despaired of looking for other tablets and adjusting the amount of rinse aid and salt. After washing, I simply rinse all the dishes with tap water, literally for a couple of seconds, but so that the water is on the entire surface. It helps
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Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
Meridin, as if someone is waiting for a crazy troll from a forum about dishwashers to publicly agree with this.
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Complementary, Nope. Place this rinsed plate on the windowsill of an open window for about five minutes and smell it. Judge for yourself: a dishwasher at 60 degrees for one and a half to two hours does not wash, but a stream of cold water suddenly does.
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Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
Are you saying that if you use the pre-rinse and then the ultimate finish, there is no dog smell?
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Why exactly eco program ?
I went to the finish site - there is a quantum and there is an ultimate. Is there a difference?
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Why exactly eco program ?
I went to the finish site - there is a quantum and there is an ultimate. Is there a difference?
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Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
mihanikus2012,
There is Quantum and there is Quantum Ultimate. According to the proprietary finishing comparison table, Ultimate is the coolest. That’s what we need. In the Cross application vprok there are now great prices for it.
I noticed experimentally that it is not the temperature that helps better against dog and dirt, but the duration of exposure. The overnight IVF program in my case lasts 4 hours 5 minutes.
It seems that cysteine and its derivatives are best decomposed and removed according to the "pre-rinse, best product + maximum duration" scheme. .
Last year, from spring to mid-autumn, I was simply crazy about the dog. With the new method, everything is much cooler: either no smell at all, or moderate (if raw eggs were present). Moderate and persistent - it goes away only after a few washes. It was such that you opened the PMM and the whole kitchen stank only once (after I washed the dishes along with the egg dishes after cooking a whole duck).
There is Quantum and there is Quantum Ultimate. According to the proprietary finishing comparison table, Ultimate is the coolest. That’s what we need. In the Cross application vprok there are now great prices for it.
I noticed experimentally that it is not the temperature that helps better against dog and dirt, but the duration of exposure. The overnight IVF program in my case lasts 4 hours 5 minutes.
It seems that cysteine and its derivatives are best decomposed and removed according to the "pre-rinse, best product + maximum duration" scheme. .
Last year, from spring to mid-autumn, I was simply crazy about the dog. With the new method, everything is much cooler: either no smell at all, or moderate (if raw eggs were present). Moderate and persistent - it goes away only after a few washes. It was such that you opened the PMM and the whole kitchen stank only once (after I washed the dishes along with the egg dishes after cooking a whole duck).
Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
I have the same problem. The dishwasher is new, the dishes smell like dog after washing. After washing in the dishwasher, you have to rinse the dishes under running tap water. The process is not the best, there is no other way out. It’s a shame!!!
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Dear Esthete!
You have done an amazing job of systematizing and in-depth analysis of all the facts identified. I read all the material, starting from the moment the topic was created. The literature review is especially worth noting. Such a critical scientific approach is difficult to find in an environment where people have relevant academic degrees.
It is clear that I ended up here for the same reason as everyone else, although this scientific search is interesting simply from a fundamental point of view.
What role do you think fresh air plays in the formation of odor? Let’s say that alkaline hydrolysis of a protein in PMM causes the formation of cysteine. But why do you need outdoor, fresh air to feel the aroma? Air humidity hardly plays a role, because... in the PMM after the end of the wash there will be 100% humidity, but there is no smell.
You have done an amazing job of systematizing and in-depth analysis of all the facts identified. I read all the material, starting from the moment the topic was created. The literature review is especially worth noting. Such a critical scientific approach is difficult to find in an environment where people have relevant academic degrees.
It is clear that I ended up here for the same reason as everyone else, although this scientific search is interesting simply from a fundamental point of view.
What role do you think fresh air plays in the formation of odor? Let’s say that alkaline hydrolysis of a protein in PMM causes the formation of cysteine. But why do you need outdoor, fresh air to feel the aroma? Air humidity hardly plays a role, because... in the PMM after the end of the wash there will be 100% humidity, but there is no smell.
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Bass Booster, I’m glad that my research was useful. This has been a year in the making.
Since winter almost never stinks, humidity most likely can have an effect, because the colder it is, the lower the atmospheric humidity. But due to the fact that the dishwasher itself gives a hell of a lot of moisture every time, and doesn’t always stink, then I, like you, have doubts.
Perhaps the effect of olfactory habituation works when smells indoors are felt as a matter of course and are hidden by the brain, but when the air is diluted with street air, the picture changes and the brain updates information about the environment. For example, smelly people often do not feel their own smell and require manipulation to prove this to them (holding their breath, for example).
Maybe there are some substances in the street air, in the presence of which the dog feels it more acutely. Some kind of pollen, for example, which is also absent in winter.
It’s interesting that people write here periodically that supposedly rinsing with cold water helps. An interesting phenomenon. Why do they think so? I experimented with wet dishes: I filled glasses and filled plates. This is guaranteed not to remove the dog. Only chlorine-containing products and, to a lesser extent, Finish Ultimate on the eco program after the pre-rinse program.
I ask myself this question. Apparently, the sense of smell works in a complex way.Bass Booster: ↑17 Aug 2023, 15:43 But why do you need street, fresh air to feel the aroma? Air humidity hardly plays a role, because... in the PMM after the end of the wash there will be 100% humidity, but there is no smell.
Since winter almost never stinks, humidity most likely can have an effect, because the colder it is, the lower the atmospheric humidity. But due to the fact that the dishwasher itself gives a hell of a lot of moisture every time, and doesn’t always stink, then I, like you, have doubts.
Perhaps the effect of olfactory habituation works when smells indoors are felt as a matter of course and are hidden by the brain, but when the air is diluted with street air, the picture changes and the brain updates information about the environment. For example, smelly people often do not feel their own smell and require manipulation to prove this to them (holding their breath, for example).
Maybe there are some substances in the street air, in the presence of which the dog feels it more acutely. Some kind of pollen, for example, which is also absent in winter.
It’s interesting that people write here periodically that supposedly rinsing with cold water helps. An interesting phenomenon. Why do they think so? I experimented with wet dishes: I filled glasses and filled plates. This is guaranteed not to remove the dog. Only chlorine-containing products and, to a lesser extent, Finish Ultimate on the eco program after the pre-rinse program.
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I looked through my collection of chemicals for PMM and it turns out I had started a pack of Finish Ultimate. I tried to follow Estet’s recommendations - I start the pre-wash program (lasts about 15 minutes without chemicals) - as I understand it, this is ala rinsing the dishes, we wash off the first dirt without chemicals.. After that I start the eco washing program. In my PMM it is quite strange - it lasts about 4 hours, while the actual washing there lasts for 2 hours, then the door opens automatically and a red beam lights up (supposedly the program is still in progress) - while in fact it is drying dishes with the door open for about 2 hours . What can I say based on the result - I didn’t notice any difference, to be honest. Today we had scrambled eggs for breakfast, the food had time to sit in a plate (glass) for about 30 minutes, the window in the kitchen was open for ventilation - I came, and there was the whole pack of dogs assembled
In general, sadness. Maybe, of course, it depends on the dishwasher model, but in my case the mode is ECO and the Finish tablets did not have the desired effect. By the way, when PMM was just purchased, it came with 3-in-1 tablets from fairies (outwardly similar to somat, but expensive and also with a finish, also with gel, etc.). And they washed no worse than all these somatas, finishes and so on. And there was no smell, I probably used the sink for a little over a year until the dog arrived.
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regarding rinsing in cold water - I can also add that I did not see any effect from this action. When the windows are open, weathered dishes also stink, even after rinsing, and even after hand washing with some fairy. I can also say that regular mechanical washing does not completely eliminate the smell the first time. Apparently this smell eats into the dishes so much that you need to mechanically rinse the dishes several times until they squeak, and then it only seems that there is no smell. Or chemically wash the dishes once, as my wife and I did, by washing all the dishes in oxygen bleach in boiling water in the bathroom. The effect lasted for a week. For a week the dishes did not show any odor at all. Then, after a week of washing in the PMM, the dishes again became "overgrown" with odors and the dog returned
It turns out that either the dishes should be washed simply by hand always, mechanically and properly. Either...or, idk. We need to try an experiment. Take the most stinking plate (for example, after eggs), rinse it thoroughly several times mechanically under the tap and see if there is a smell in the open air. If the smell does disappear, it will turn out that mechanical washing is everything to us.
Honestly, it’s extremely bad to wash all the dishes by hand when everything has been washed automatically for more than 2 years, but just when you sit down to eat a delicious meal and tailed friends come running right into your plate - all desire to eat food disappears
I’ll try to conduct an experiment and write down the results.
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In order to get away with little blood and not wash all the dishes in the apartment with your hands, I decided to conduct such an experiment - I allocated myself a separate set of dishes (plate , mug, spoon, fork) - after each meal I will wash it separately from all the dishes mechanically by hand for a week in the sink with running water and regular dishwashing detergent (that’s about 20 mechanical washes), if after that my set is still the same will happen to the dog - then I don’t know what to do about it. If something really settles on the surface of the dishes due to PMM, in 20 washes “THAT” should either be wiped off with sponges, or washed with chemicals or just water in the end.

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regarding rinsing in cold water - I can also add that I did not see any effect from this action. When the windows are open, weathered dishes also stink, even after rinsing, and even after hand washing with some fairy. I can also say that regular mechanical washing does not completely eliminate the smell the first time. Apparently this smell eats into the dishes so much that you need to mechanically rinse the dishes several times until they squeak, and then it only seems that there is no smell. Or chemically wash the dishes once, as my wife and I did, by washing all the dishes in oxygen bleach in boiling water in the bathroom. The effect lasted for a week. For a week the dishes did not show any odor at all. Then, after a week of washing in the PMM, the dishes again became "overgrown" with odors and the dog returned

It turns out that either the dishes should be washed simply by hand always, mechanically and properly. Either...or, idk. We need to try an experiment. Take the most stinking plate (for example, after eggs), rinse it thoroughly several times mechanically under the tap and see if there is a smell in the open air. If the smell does disappear, it will turn out that mechanical washing is everything to us.
Honestly, it’s extremely bad to wash all the dishes by hand when everything has been washed automatically for more than 2 years, but just when you sit down to eat a delicious meal and tailed friends come running right into your plate - all desire to eat food disappears

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In order to get away with little blood and not wash all the dishes in the apartment with your hands, I decided to conduct such an experiment - I allocated myself a separate set of dishes (plate , mug, spoon, fork) - after each meal I will wash it separately from all the dishes mechanically by hand for a week in the sink with running water and regular dishwashing detergent (that’s about 20 mechanical washes), if after that my set is still the same will happen to the dog - then I don’t know what to do about it. If something really settles on the surface of the dishes due to PMM, in 20 washes “THAT” should either be wiped off with sponges, or washed with chemicals or just water in the end.
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Re: Dishes smell like dog after being washed
mihanikus2012, some kind of non-show-off eco-program. The idea is to last longer by washing rather than drying. Out of four hours, mine takes about half an hour to dry. Are there any other long-term programs?
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Esthete, I agree. Some strange program. But I don’t have a lot of settings in PMM. There are 5 programs and modes such as accelerate and extra drying. All default values are entered. Today, by the way, is day 4 of observations. I eat from a separate set of dishes - I wash them with my hands and in cold water using Sorti. The sponge is new. There is no smell. There were different dishes (soups, cereals, meat, meatballs) - so far there was silence. The windows are open almost 24 hours a day. I’ll have to try frying some eggs and see what happens. For now, I’m tentatively coming to the conclusion that good old hand washing of dishes is reliable. I suspect that the chemists on the forum were not far from the truth - PMM simply does not completely wash the dishes themselves. And the question is not the cost of the PMM (by the way, what model of PMM do you have?). In despair, I imagined that my wife and I would have to wash all the dishes by hand again after each meal and decided to go in and see what was on the market now. If you wish, you can go all out and buy a Bosch 8 series with zeolite drying, a bunch of settings, etc. - that’s why I wanted to clarify - what kind of sink do you have? If I look at the same thing as yours, but there is still a smell, then this purchase will lead to nothing except a big waste of money.
Visually, it (the dishes) seems clean and even squeaks when you move it finger. However, in fact, from a chemical point of view, this is not entirely true.
P.S. Before the dishes got rid of the smell of the dog, I mechanically washed it with a sponge in cold water 4 times. 1,2 and even 3 times after washing, the smell still remained - this is how much this dog eats into the glass that it needs to be scrubbed 4 times with the abrasive side of the sponge to wash off?
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nWhat else can I add regarding PMM - I noticed that some mugs with glaze (souvenirs from the south) are completely dotted with small cracks. They are practically invisible at first glance, but if you look closely, you can see them on the surface of the dishes. Apparently the pressure under which water is applied to the surface of the dishes is very decent, which is able to break the glaze to the point of cracks (anything can get stuck in these cracks..) - however, this water pressure is still not effective enough to wash off old (or brewed) ) film from the glass surface. By the way, an example from a self-service car wash: if the car is initially practically clean, a contactless car wash with chemicals does a very good job and on a budget, but if we are talking about some dried-on midges and beetles, for example on the bumper and windshield, a short-term contactless car wash is practically ineffective. Yes, it knocks down some, but most of the midges remain. If you use nuclear chemistry (anti-bitumen) or mechanical washing with a brush - right there at the sink - then everything is ok, and everything is wiped off. A parallel can be drawn with washing dishes. Yes, in defense of the PMM, we can say that the water there is hot and the pressure may be higher, but still. No one mechanically rubs the dishes inside the chamber. At the same time, washing in a PMM is washing with the same water during the cycle, hot, yes under pressure, and with chemicals, but the dishes are boiled in meat or egg broth, fermented in the same water for at least 30 minutes and As a result, the entire wash was treated with this stinking liquid. Perhaps if the PMM were washed in cold water, the effect would be better (as I wash in the sink) - the same egg and chicken would not brew inside the PMM and would not exude such an amber. However, I don’t have such a program in my machine, and again, how effective would the detergent itself be if you wash dishes in a PMM in cold water.
I continue to observe. Tomorrow morning I’ll cook an egg, put it on my kit, open the window and wait to see what happens.
Visually, it (the dishes) seems clean and even squeaks when you move it finger. However, in fact, from a chemical point of view, this is not entirely true.
P.S. Before the dishes got rid of the smell of the dog, I mechanically washed it with a sponge in cold water 4 times. 1,2 and even 3 times after washing, the smell still remained - this is how much this dog eats into the glass that it needs to be scrubbed 4 times with the abrasive side of the sponge to wash off?
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nWhat else can I add regarding PMM - I noticed that some mugs with glaze (souvenirs from the south) are completely dotted with small cracks. They are practically invisible at first glance, but if you look closely, you can see them on the surface of the dishes. Apparently the pressure under which water is applied to the surface of the dishes is very decent, which is able to break the glaze to the point of cracks (anything can get stuck in these cracks..) - however, this water pressure is still not effective enough to wash off old (or brewed) ) film from the glass surface. By the way, an example from a self-service car wash: if the car is initially practically clean, a contactless car wash with chemicals does a very good job and on a budget, but if we are talking about some dried-on midges and beetles, for example on the bumper and windshield, a short-term contactless car wash is practically ineffective. Yes, it knocks down some, but most of the midges remain. If you use nuclear chemistry (anti-bitumen) or mechanical washing with a brush - right there at the sink - then everything is ok, and everything is wiped off. A parallel can be drawn with washing dishes. Yes, in defense of the PMM, we can say that the water there is hot and the pressure may be higher, but still. No one mechanically rubs the dishes inside the chamber. At the same time, washing in a PMM is washing with the same water during the cycle, hot, yes under pressure, and with chemicals, but the dishes are boiled in meat or egg broth, fermented in the same water for at least 30 minutes and As a result, the entire wash was treated with this stinking liquid. Perhaps if the PMM were washed in cold water, the effect would be better (as I wash in the sink) - the same egg and chicken would not brew inside the PMM and would not exude such an amber. However, I don’t have such a program in my machine, and again, how effective would the detergent itself be if you wash dishes in a PMM in cold water.
I continue to observe. Tomorrow morning I’ll cook an egg, put it on my kit, open the window and wait to see what happens.
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In general, it turned out that the egg was cooked in the evening. Glass plate from my set (washed by hand), scrambled eggs on it. The white is fried, the yolk is slightly runny inside. We put the whole thing on the window, the window is open. We wait 10 minutes - there is no smell. We eat, deliberately spreading the remains of the scrambled eggs and butter on the plate (while eating, the window is also open - there is no smell). We put the plate on the window for another 10 minutes (the window is open) - there is no smell.
Conclusion: a cleanly washed plate does not stink even if it is an egg. I will also need to test it on a chicken, but I am inclined that the result will be as expected.
What to do with PMM - at a minimum, do not fold the dishes after the eggs and wash them separately with your hands in cold water.
It is not clear how the PMM will behave in the case of dishes made from meat (chicken, pork). We don’t eat fish.
Conclusion: a cleanly washed plate does not stink even if it is an egg. I will also need to test it on a chicken, but I am inclined that the result will be as expected.
What to do with PMM - at a minimum, do not fold the dishes after the eggs and wash them separately with your hands in cold water.
It is not clear how the PMM will behave in the case of dishes made from meat (chicken, pork). We don’t eat fish.
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Also, to achieve maximum effect and remove all remaining broth from the eggs, the PMM will need to be washed several times with special products.
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