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 Dishes smell like dog after being washed

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Please help, maybe someone has encountered such a problem! The dishes, after being washed in the dishwasher, stink of dog!! Disgusting smell, but the dishes are clean and shiny. I changed the tablets, rinse aid, salt is always available. I wash the inside of the dishwasher regularly, the filter, the walls. I tried running it with baking soda and vinegar. Nothing helps (((


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mihanikus2012: 30 Aug 2023, 17:45 Bosch 8 series with zeolite drying, a bunch of settings, etc.
I just have it, or rather Ikea Discade. This is a special Bosch model for Ikea. It generally has all the functions of Bosch, from a laser projector on the floor to zeolite drying, and it is made in Germany (display, buttons, internals, everything is like top-end Bosch). Perhaps that is why it washes the dog better using my patented technology (rinse, overnight with options). But I ran with it in the same way from spring to the end of autumn 2022 using regular programs, thinking that replacing the PMM with a new one would solve the problem. Again, sometimes some dishes still stink, i.e. this is not a 100% solution, but it improves the quality of life by about 90%. It can be solved by washing again.


Try this scheme with Finish Ultimate (the idea is to keep the product exposed for a long time at an average temperature and compensate for the stupidity of the existing eco-program):
  • start pre-rinse program
  • start your ECO program at night;
  • stop all nightbefore the first flush (before the start of the rinsing stage), so that the dog is thoroughly soaked and reacts with the detergent;
  • in the morning, start any other washing program (probably better than an hour-long one, which without preliminary rinsing, so that the product does not leak in vain).

By the way, Cysteine ​​and its derivatives are beneficial for the body, not harmful. These are amino acids after all. I don’t know if this will console anyone.

Esthete:I also remembered an additional proof of his cysteine ​​theory. I was recently wandering around the house, thoughtful, with a mug of tea, took a tea bag out of my cup and threw it in the direction of the trash can in the bathroom (I usually don’t do this), but missed it right into the wall. I washed it with a disposable cloth and detergent. A couple of days later I was surprised that the bathroom now stank of dog (it never stank there). I smelled the source - that very place. And it stinks because there is a cat litter box right under it and the cats there are rubbing their fur against the wall. Actually, wool + alkali = cysteine.

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By the way, I noticed that Finish in Russia has recently been sold as Finish Quantum and Finish Ultimate (without the word Quantum). I even thought that I was confused, but after Googling I was convinced that the top product was indeed previously called Finish Quantum Ultimate (three words).
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Esthete, if replacing the PMM is not a guarantee, then there is no point in spending money on replacement/purchase. Technically, a dishwasher is used to wash dishes. I am for rational spending of funds. If the 8 series washes objectively better than my Electrolux (higher pressure, higher temperature, etc., that is, not marketing techniques (beam, laser, zeolite, but real proven facts) - then I’m not against it. In terms of washing and drying class, they are the same ( AAA). Paying a lot of kilorubles for chips and goodies without changing the result is wasteful. First of all, go, checkers later. By the way, during this time I also studied many forums and I come across such problems with the smell not only here, but also in others countries (reddit - there’s a lot of information there) And there are users who have luxury Miele PMMs - the problem is the same (that is, having paid 100+, 200+ TR for the PMM, we do not get a guarantee that there will be no dogs. There is no 90% dog - this is somehow doubtful. The result is either there or it is not. Based on this, I can conclude that the problem may not be in the machine, but in its incorrect use. Maybe the manufacturers are deliberately keeping silent about the fact that Dishes should be divided depending, for example, on the food being prepared. Wash eggs separately, meat separately. It’s not for nothing that, for example, there are cutting boards and knives separately for meat, fish, herbs, and bread. Because if you think logically - and you yourself have written this here several times: the dishes are boiled in the same volume of water several times. Fortunately, I don’t eat fish - I can’t imagine how stinky it would be if, for example, you wash herring plates in a PMM.

Probably - if the manufacturers were telling the truth that the dishes need to be segmented and divided - machines they would buy less - because this is no longer a completely problem-free and cloudless scenario from advertising. First one wash, then another wash. This is no longer a beautiful commercial where you loaded the sink and drove off to the sea - you arrived and everything is cool and clean and sparkling.
The second version is that there are few such smelling people relative to the total mass of users, they are within the error range and for this reason no one will redo the PMM or the chemistry for it, or change anything in the washing algorithms. For the majority - ok.

If you change the approach to use itself, perhaps this will solve the problem.

An analogy is using a washing machine. Despite the fact that the washing machine is "automatic". The owner must use his hands to divide the laundry into groups (colored, delicate, wool, etc.) and then wash everything separately in the machine. After all, in fact, white lace panties are not washed in the same batch as three-day old black socks, which can already be placed next to the washing machine. Why then does it turn out that the smelliest plates are loaded into the same batch as the delicate glass of glasses (on the walls of which all this slurry will then settle?)
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mihanikus2012: 01 Sep 2023, 09:52 There is no dog in 90% of cases - this is somehow doubtful.
I mean that there is no dog at all after washing in 90% of cases, and not about reducing the intensity of the odor after each wash, as you thought.
mihanikus2012: 01 Sep 2023, 09:52 if manufacturers were telling the truth that dishes need to be segmented and divided
In fact, one cannot blame the manufacturers of good equipment. Firstly, as I have said many times, the dog is known to people who have never used a dishwasher (in this thread there are such noted), and personally, I can feel a dog even from the walls and floor, if they are lined with glazed tiles (you can’t put them in the PMM). Secondly, the vast majority of people are OK. Thirdly, even I don’t separate dishes, including eggs - otherwise a chronic dirty dish stalagmite in my sink will grow to the ceiling (especially considering that now the dishes take longer than four hours to wash, and then they are hot, so you won’t pick them up for another half an hour ). Fourthly, no one is stopping you from buying two PMMs.

This should rather be a complaint against the manufacturers of detergents, because chlorine-containing ones wash everything. Just go and look for a product for household PMM with chlorine. Everywhere there are only "soy" based on the sun’s rays and breezes... But again, most people are OK with these.
mihanikus2012:01 Sep 2023, 09:52 PMM replacement is not a guarantee
In the real world, little is guaranteed. Especially when in the “common bucket” there is a crazy number of names of a wide variety of organics and inorganics. I don’t think your PMM is outright bad. It’s probably worth concentrating on the product.

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I am still inclined to believe that there is some kind of catalyst for the dog smell in the street air. Most of all I think about pollen. It would be cool to check it out sometime.

What’s also cool is that the eggs themselves don’t stink (at least like dog). It is the surface of glass/ceramic/metal objects that stinks.

Quick analysis:

Substances , present in summer but absent or rare in winter:
Pollen: In summer, plant pollen is found in the air, which can cause allergic reactions.
Ozone: Ozone levels typically increase in the summer due to increased solar activity and photochemical reactions.
Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs): Concentrations may be higher in the summer due to increased temperatures and solar activity.
nInsecticides and pesticides: Their use increases in agriculture in the summer.
Dust and soil: Summer storms and winds can raise more dust.

Substances present in winter but rare or absent in summer:
Oxides of nitrogen and carbon: Levels of these gases may be higher in winter due to -due to increased heating use and lower efficiency of catalysts in cars at low temperatures.
Soot and smoke: Due to heating and wood burning.
Heavy metals: Their concentration may be higher in winter due to lower thinner air and less precipitation.
Salts used to melt snow: These may be released into the air as aerosols.
Formaldehyde: May be released when heating fuels are burned.

In winter, the draft of house air ducts is also better due to the large temperature difference.

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But if you think about it, there is no particular point in research by air, because we cannot influence it. Just therapeutic interest.
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Esthete, I’m just talking about the fact that at 90 % there is no smell, and in 10% there is, BUT - if I take the washing process - I have 100% no complaints about the operation of my washing machine. The linen is always clean and always without any odors. Same with other equipment. This is where the problem arises.

With regards to manufacturers - no matter how good the manufacturers are, they are certainly not saints. Most companies in their history have repeatedly landed in a puddle and then shook themselves off and moved on as if nothing had happened. I quite calmly admit that in the production of PMM and detergents, the company could not take into account the interests of a negligible fraction of people who detect this smell. Why? Yes, simply because there is no need. Most people use it and everything is ok. And these are additional studies, resources, and further down the list.

Next: dogs in people without PMM. A lot of people use sponges for dishes and very few people throw them away every day/week. For some, they ferment on the sink for months. The number of bacteria there is off the charts + it’s more pleasant to wash in hot water than in cold water - which is what people do. The result is almost the same as in PMM. We brew caju from colonies of bacteria, add an egg or chicken or something else and spread it with a sponge throughout the dishes and rinse briefly.

New dishes with tap water do not stink (tested with the window open)
Dishes that are not chemically cleaned completely stink, that is, in simple words - dirty dishes.

Regarding the dog in other areas (tiles, etc. - I didn’t encounter any, the whole bathtub was in tiles - there was never a smell)

Regarding the fact that You don’t separate the dishes - well, try it. I conducted an experiment and divided the dishes. I have a separate set of dishes, which I wash by hand in cold water with detergent - there is no smell. It’s been almost a week now. It’s hot outside and the windows are wide open. Finally, you can cook something from eggs in the morning and enjoy eating in the fresh air with an open window - life has become more delicious :) And the most important thing is that it absolutely doesn’t matter what it is - cysteine, pollen or what - one more thing - for me the most important thing - there is no smell.

The fourth argument - well, this is too much). PMM in order to make life easier - buy 2 PMM - it’s more about making your wallet easier.
Esthete: 01 Sep 2023, 11:04 This should rather be a complaint against the manufacturers of detergents, because chlorine-containing ones wash everything. Just go and look for a product for household PMM with chlorine. Everywhere there are only "soy" based on the sun’s rays and breezes... But then again, for most people everything is OK with these.
I already answered this too - for the sake of a small group of people, no one will redo the process, change the recipe, etc. As long as people eat, everything will be ok.

Sorti detergent is unlikely to be made on the basis of chlorine - but there is no smell on the dishes. It’s just that mechanical washing removes all the deposits that are on the surface of the glass more effectively than jets of water, albeit under high pressure.

Again, the point is not that I do not want to use PMM - I am only for progress and making life easier with an increase in its quality. And if we assume that buying a more expensive car can solve the problem, then I am ready to pay. But putting several machines in the kitchen is crazy for me. You just need to find the right way - I don’t see the point in studying the composition of air and pollen (I can’t influence this). And the air will not change. I’m not moving to the Alps yet))
The reason for the smell is on the surface. On the surface of the dish. And from my point of view, it is not necessary to clean the air, but to allow the machine to wash the dishes more efficiently - perhaps by lightening its load (by sorting the dishes). By the way, is it also very interesting whether they sort dishes in restaurants when washing them?
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mihanikus2012: 01 Sep 2023, 13:26 If I take the washing process, I have 100% no complaints about the operation of my washing machine. The linen is always clean and always without any odors. Same with other technology
This is simply not true. The washer may not remove grass, blood or wine. The blender or chopper stalls. The dryer is not dry enough. Oven is not ready. And so on. You are simply offended by the dishwasher and now idealize the rest of the equipment.

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mihanikus2012: 01 Sep 2023, 13:26 New dishes with tap water do not stink
I spent the winter in Turkey and all my dishes were from the store. I felt like a dog. I know how to wash dishes. I’m generally a thrifty person.

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mihanikus2012: 01 Sep 2023, 13:26 whether the dishes in restaurants are sorted during washing is also very interesting.
The dishes in restaurants often smell like dog. For industrial PMM there are a lot of products with chlorine. But they work differently, so they are not suitable for household use.

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I’m no longer trying for myself. I developed the technology myself and am very happy with the result.

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By the way, about the washing machines. Tulle is the only fabric that stinks of dog. I checked it out in Turkey when I was doing the laundry. In Moscow, when I was at a different address, it also stank. I don’t have any tulle right now.

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And also, two PMMs are not so wasteful. You can get each one for thirty. It will be several times cheaper than one miele or asko.

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Dog dishes are not dirty, but reacted. Dirt is about physical connections. It is necessary to chemically break the formed chemical bonds on its surface, then there will be no smell. Chemists do not separate chemical bonds with a scraper or cord brush!

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It sounds funny, but a good dishwasher is the only option to wash a dog with standard means if it appears once. That is, if the plate already stinks, then there is no way to do it manually at all. Just chlorine.
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Esthete,
Esthete : 01 Sep 2023, 14:51 Blender or chopper stalls . The dryer is not dry enough. Oven is not ready. And so on. You are simply offended by the dishwasher and now idealize the rest of the equipment.
This is an exception rather than a system - if you follow the instructions, most often this will not happen. In the PMM, the instructions were followed completely, but the result was the opposite.
Esthete: 01 Sep 2023, 14:51 I spent the winter in Turkey and all my dishes were from the store. I felt like a dog. I know how to wash dishes. I’m generally a housekeeper.
took out a few new ones[/b] plates, washed them with tap water, put them on the window - no smell
Esthete: 01 Sep 2023, 14:51 In restaurants, dishes often smell like dog. For industrial PMM there are a lot of products with chlorine. But they work differently, so they are not suitable for household use.
what about contradictions? if restaurants use industrial PMM and products with chlorine, then where does the smell come from?
Esthete: 01 Sep 2023, 14:51 By the way, about washing machines. Tulle is the only fabric that stinks of dog. I checked it out in Turkey when I was doing the laundry. In Moscow, when I was at a different address, it also stank. Now I don’t have tulle.
I have no complaints about the washing machine at all. There is never any smell on the clothes. Relatives are similar.
Esthete: 01 Sep 2023, 14:51 And also, two PMMs are not so wasteful. You can get each one for thirty. It will be several times cheaper than one miele or asco.
Why? To wash a couple of egg plates in it and not every day?
I don’t buy things/equipment to use it once every five years. My apartment is not that big.
Esthete: 01 Sep 2023, 14:51 The dog dishes are not dirty, but reacted. Dirt is about physical connections. It is necessary to chemically break the formed chemical bonds on its surface, then there will be no smell. Chemists do not separate chemical bonds with a scraper or cord brush!
explain then why my set of dishes doesn’t stink? Yes, I washed it mechanically several times and there is no more smell. I checked out different food options (meat, eggs, soups, cereals) and my kitchen windows are wide open. Important: the smelly set was initially chosen: An egg plate that exuded an amazing aroma, a coffee mug and a glass made of PMM, which, when weathered, also stank of dog.
Esthete: 01 Sep 2023, 14:51 It sounds funny, but a good dishwasher is the only option to wash a dog with standard means if it appears once. That is, if the plate already stinks, then there is no way to do it manually at all. Just chlorine.
sounds inconsistent. I respect all your research (old PMM + a bunch of chemicals, ion exchanger, osmosis, new PMM, chemical reasons) - a lot of work has been done, BUT - your PMM also does not remove this smell 100% either. And from your words, which I have no doubt about, you have a good PMM. Dear PMM. Sophisticated PMM. But if this is so, where does the smell come from? And why wash dishes twice in a good PMM? And look for a certain procedure for using a good PMM? And a specific remedy? After all, according to the instructions, you just need to put down the dishes, put in the product, select the appropriate program and go to bed. Why then such research? Maybe it’s something else. If you read your earlier posts, at first you were very happy with the new PMM (delight, it’s much better than my old one, it’s a new word in washing dishes, and then disappointment - there’s still a smell - that’s the most obvious marker). So my opinion (subjective) is that it shouldn’t be like this. In my understanding, the scheme is as follows: I buy equipment, read the instructions, do according to the instructions - I get a predictable and expected end result. If I start using dances with a tambourine, it means the technique is not perfect and does not fully fulfill its stated functions. Does this happen? Yes, all the time.

4 iPhone, which had to be taken in a special way so that it could catch the network well. The defect was recognized later.
If you are familiar with auto topics, remember the early versions of DSG boxes. Which flew off after 20t. km after leaving the salon. At first the manufacturer also denied it, but then they admitted it was a defect. Recall of the company, extension of the warranty period, etc. Let’s also remember the story about Teflon coating (DUPON) - which after a while turned out to be unsafe. And there are a million such cases and a small cart.

The branding of a particular thing/equipment indirectly affects the result (BOSCH wipers, which are replaced every 2 months, say hello to DENSO wipers - 3 years without replacement. Both brands) PMM from MIELE also accept dogs, although they are much more expensive BOSCH - although also a brand. Blind faith in a specific brand does not lead to anything good.

I buy a thing to solve a specific task - cleaning dishes (without separation, physical or chemical). I do NOT have to understand the chemical nature of the smell, look for cysteine, etc. - I need clean and odorless dishes - that’s all. I am an ordinary user (not a developer, not an engineer or a chemist) - I pay money for equipment to get the end result. This price already includes development, testing, production, marketing, etc. That is, I receive a final product that is ready to use. If I start studying air, water, the chemical composition of pollen, etc., something is wrong here.

Show me the instructions for the PMM, where it says ("to achieve the best washing effect - use only the night program, only an additional rinse, only finish the ultimate, close all the windows, buy a second PMM for eggs, etc.") - this is all a search for crutches - even despite the fact that your PMM is expensive and sophisticated. Your statements sound like a defense of your investments and actions taken. When so much has been done and resources spent, to say that the dishwasher still doesn’t clean is to sign of ineffectiveness. And that’s okay. Most people are looking for convincing arguments to justify the investment of time and resources for themselves and others without looking weird. (Yes, the DSG gearbox is unreliable, but what dynamics... Yes, my iPhone 4 does not pick up the network if you take it in your hand as usual, but what a design, and what materials..). Someone admits that this expensive purchase is also not the most successful, a mistake happened - it happens. You bought a good, expensive PMM - no one doubts it. And (this is especially important here) - if your PMM gave a 100% washing result - I would also gladly go and buy the same one. No joke. It’s not a question of money. And the question of reasonableness of actions. If I pay for the machine, will I get the result I am looking for? We pay for the result, and not for a puzzle, where you have to find on your own a way to wash all the dishes and destroy some chemical bonds. It’s reminiscent of some domestic products - you buy it and start thinking about how to make this thing work well. The only difference is that for a domestic craft (at least that’s how it used to be, you pay) X rubles. And then you finish it with a file and get more or less news. But here you pay 3X-10X and still have to come up with something.
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mihanikus2012: 02 Sep 2023, 10:56 to achieve the best washing effect, use only the night program
This is literally what is written on the packages of Finish and most other products (with the amendment that the word ECO or the temperature is indicated at 50-55). You can probably also find recommendations for using IVF in the instructions.

Special sensitivity requires a special approach. Household appliances are made for everyone who can buy them, and this is “not just everything.” Therefore, special guys bother more than others, who are satisfied with everything.

For industrial PMMs there is no less, if not more, choice of means. Both with and without chlorine. Not everyone chlorines.

I lived for half a year without PMM, I felt the dog near the windows, washing it did not solve the problem. The kitchen had no window, so I didn’t even remember it for a long time. I smelled it by accident and remembered it. But experimentally purposefully reproducing the dog was not a problem.

I was modest about the 90% result (it is higher), I don’t even remember the last time something stank from the dishes. I was just trying to be objective, because it happens that one plate or several may stink.

I just don’t understand what else you want from me. He told me everything he knew. You can wash it with your hands, no problem. I’m still here because I’m just having fun and I want to understand the mechanism to the end, maybe the truth will be born in dialogue. Here they advised me to try powerful capsules again. At first I resisted, but this turned out to be the best decision.
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According to observations, the smell is associated with the remains of animal food from mass markets.
It seems that additives are used to fatten animals, which accumulate in animal fats and smell even in small concentrations.
More expensive products from farm stores can be used for a long time without causing odors on the dishes.

Street air temporarily heightens the sense of smell, so some associate the smell with the presence of a draft. When the windows are closed, the brightness of the smells of coffee or other food is reduced, so it is most likely not in the air.

The dishwasher spreads the grease into a thin film, from which the molecules of that substance can more easily fly into the air. Long chains of fat lie in a single layer on the surface of the icing and the smelly compound sticks out from the film like raisins from a thin cookie. After hand washing, the layer of fat is too thick and holds odors more reliably.
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Esthete, calm down already!
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PMM HANSA dog went away after setting the hardness to 1 and ECO mode. It stank in both winter and summer
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