Which narrow PMM should I choose? ⇐ General questions about dishwashers

[Novomaster]

Hello, dear forum users!
Help me choose from the two free-standing PMMs below:

1) BEKO DFS26010W (RUB 21,450.00):

General characteristics
Type
narrow
Installation
free-standing
Capacity
10 sets
Energy class
A+
Washing class
A
Drying class
A
Control type
electronic
Display
yes
Child lock
yes
Technical characteristics
Water consumption
11 l
Maximum power consumption
2100 W
Energy consumption per cycle
0.83 kWh
Noise level during operation
47 dB
Programs and washing modes
Number of programs
6
Dish drying
condensation
Standard washing programs
intensive program for heavily soiled dishes, express program (fast cycle)
Special programs
"delicate" program for washing fragile dishes, economical program for lightly soiled dishes, pre-soak mode
Half load mode
available
Other functions and features
Start delay timer
yes, from 1 to 24 hours
Protection against leaks
yes, complete
Water purity sensor
no
Automatic setting of water hardness
no
Use of 3 in 1 products
yes
Salt / rinse aid indicator
yes / yes
Features of the working chamber
inner surface made of stainless steel. steel, height-adjustable basket for dishes
Additional accessories
holder for glasses
Color
white
Dimensions (WxDxH)
45x60x85 cm
Weight
40.5 kg


2) GORENJE GS52010W (RUB 19,150.00):

General characteristics
Type
narrow
Installation
free-standing
Capacity
9 sets
Energy class
A++
Washing class
A
Drying class
A
Control type
electronic
nDisplay
is
Technical characteristics
Water consumption
9 l
Maximum power consumption
1930 W
Energy consumption per cycle
0.69 kWh
Washing time with normal program
190 min
Noise level during operation
49 dB
Programs and washing modes
Number of programs
5
Number of temperature modes
4
Dish drying
condensation
Standard washing programs
regular program for everyday washing, intensive program for heavily soiled dishes, express program (fast cycle)
Special programs
economical program for lightly soiled dishes, pre-soak mode
nHalf load mode
yes
Other functions and features
Delay start timer
yes, from 1 to 24 hours
Leakage protection
yes, full
Max. inlet water temperature
60 °C
Automatic water hardness setting
no
Use of 3 in 1 products
yes
Sound signal
is
Salt / rinse aid indicator
is / is
Features of the working chamber
inner surface made of stainless steel. steel, height-adjustable basket for dishes
Additional accessories
holder for glasses
Color
white
Dimensions (WxDxH)
45x60x85 see
Additional information
self-cleaning of filters


I don’t understand much about this, so I will be grateful for advice, arguments, and user reviews.

[Guest]

I would choose Gorenje. Purely because of the company. After all, the Slavic brothers did their own thing. And Beko is Turkish. They do a lot of things carelessly.

[Guest]

I would choose Gorenje. Purely because of the company. After all, the Slavic brothers did their own thing. And Beko is Turkish. They do a lot carelessly.

My stove is burning. The slab is like a slab, I can’t say anything good or bad. But I don’t know how well they make dishwashers. It’s still dangerous, water and electricity, I wouldn’t want to flood my neighbors or get an electric shock. I understand that you need to take Bosh, but they are much more expensive. And the task is to buy a narrow and free-standing one so that it doesn’t last for 1-2 years

[Guest]

My stove is burning.

And I have a stove and a refrigerator. They have been working for many years. I don’t think they make bad dishwashers. Although I have Bosch myself.

I wouldn’t want to flood my neighbors or get an electric shock

Well It’s unlikely that it will come to that. Since Gorenje is cheaper, I would take it given this choice.
And you take the narrow one - is it just that the other one won’t fit? Because it’s much more convenient with a full-size one. Large frying pans fit in there, as well as shelves from the refrigerator, and after guests there are no problems washing all the dishes at once.

[Novomaster]

I take a narrow one, since there is no space in the kitchen. There is a stove, a refrigerator, a washing machine. There is a floor cabinet next to the stove, 40x60 (WxD), so I’ll put it in instead, moving the refrigerator a little 5 cm.
At first I looked at the compact tabletop one, but I read the reviews and realized that nothing would fit in there at all.
We live together, so I think a narrow one will be just right.
Ordered Burning today, it will be delivered next Saturday.
Now questions about connection.
I have a siphon under my sink, to which the machine is already connected. That is, there is no longer room for PMM. Should I take another siphon with two additional outlets? And also the cold water supply to the PMM is an additional tee, right?
The plumbing is more or less clear, I think I’ll figure it out.
But I’m afraid there will be problems with electrical issues:
I read that a separate outlet is needed, and it must be grounded. What if there is no separate one and connect it through a regular tee/extension cord to the outlet into which the refrigerator and microwave are already connected? Won’t it electrocute you later?

[Novomaster]

Well, we’re waiting for Saturday. There’s something I can’t wait for)))

[Novomaster]

Trouble.
Today I received a notification that my order had been transferred to the delivery service, and a little later a girl from the online store called and said that the product was out of stock and that she was canceling the order. Moreover, on the Yandex market, the order still hangs in the status “transferred to the delivery service.”
Re-ordered from another online store, delivery for tomorrow evening from 19:00 to 22:00
We’ll see...

Sent after 19 minutes 48 seconds:
I read the reviews about the second store and canceled the order.
Can you recommend a normal store where I can come and choose?

[Guest]

I sympathize... I also ordered a dishwasher for myself through the Market, Shop ONQUEST.ru Smart Machines. Everything was delivered fine. But I didn’t go anywhere, I just chose a model on the Internet and ordered it somewhere cheaper and about whom reviews are normal.

[Novomaster]

I sympathize... I also ordered a dishwasher for myself through the Market, ONQUEST Store. ru Smart Machines. Everything was delivered fine. But I didn’t go anywhere, I just chose a model on the Internet and ordered somewhere cheaper and about which the reviews are normal.

What do you know about Electrolux? This particular model has nothing like the characteristics: Electrolux ESF9450LOW

[Guest]

Electrolux ESF9450LOW

Personally, I don’t know anything about it, but on Yandex.market there is one review about it, and that negative - a person suffers from leaks and errors. Even repairs under warranty did not correct the situation.

[Novomaster]

Electrolux ESF9450LOW

Personally, I don’t know anything about it, but on Yandex.market there is only one review about it, and it’s negative - the person is suffering from leaks and errors. Even repairs under warranty did not correct the situation.

Yeah, things are going... I used to think that the most difficult thing in the GVV acquisition stage is to allocate money for It turned out that the most difficult thing is to buy.
I looked at Bosch up to 25-28 thousand, well, in terms of characteristics they are very inferior to the same Gorenje. Either the noise level is high, or there is no display, or something else.
I understand that Bosch is only good in expensive options, right?

[Guest]

I understand that Bosch is only good in expensive options, right?

I don’t know about expensive ones, but three I bought the cheapest Bosch ones several times, only the first one (but that was a long time ago) was malfunctioning, but it was fixed under warranty.
Now I have had a Bosch SMV30D20RU for several months now (but it is, however, built-in, full-size), Bought for 22t with delivery, and everything is fine with it. Well, there may be some noise, but it’s not comparable to the noise from a washing machine.

[Novomaster]

I understand that Bosch is only good in expensive options, right?

I don’t know about expensive ones, but I bought the cheapest Bosch three times, only the first one (but that was a long time ago) was malfunctioning, but it was fixed under warranty.
I’ve now had a Bosch for several months now SMV30D20RU (but it is, however, built-in, full-size), bought for 22t with delivery, and everything is fine with it. Well, there may be noise, but it’s not comparable to the noise from a washing machine.

Yes, by the way, when searching, I filter by noise level - up to 50 dB

Sent after 39 minutes 38 seconds:
So, any news.
I just reserved (pre-ordered) M Video.
This beauty:

http://www.mvideo.ru/products/posudomoe ... u-20024480

What do you think?

[Guest]

Well, yes, Siemens seems to be praised. They say it’s the same as Bosch. I think you won’t regret it.

[Novomaster]

Well, congratulate me:

nSent after 3 minutes 45 seconds:
Yeah...
I wanted to insert photos.
It doesn’t work.
In general, I took the Siemens, now I turned it on for the first time to some “45 degrees” mode, and I’m waiting. Something is happening inside there))))

[Guest]

Electrolux ESF9450LOW is a good car! When I bought mine, I also considered this one. Better than burning and beko.